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hello and welcome to episode number 48

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always i am your host exo academian

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over the past couple of episodes of the

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point of convergence podcast we've been

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examining two distinct but related

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matters

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number one that various intel sources

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sources trusted by credible individuals

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such as australian journalist ross

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coulthart and british intelligence

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analyst frank milburn

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have divulged the apparent existence of

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various factions of future humans who

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have been intervening in affairs in our

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present time in order to impact the

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potential arising of a cataclysmic event

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that lies allegedly in our not very

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distant future

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and number two that further evolution

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especially after something like a

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cataclysmic environmental event

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could very likely give rise to a species

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of neo-humans who would look very much

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like the quintessential grey aliens

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we've all become familiar with

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it should be clearly understood as i

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just noted above that while these

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matters may be related the notion that

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at least some of the gray aliens contact

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teas abductees have interacted with our

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time traveling future neo-humans can and

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i would argue should be considered on

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its own merits

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and i think the grounds for this

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possibility are remarkably compelling

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especially once you really dig into the

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pertinent details

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much of the evidence we'll discuss today

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in that regard comes from anthropologist

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and evolutionary biologist michael

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master's book identified flying objects

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a multi-disciplinary scientific approach

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to the ufo phenomenon

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not only does masters lay out a thorough

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and convincing case that so-called grey

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aliens are best understood as being a

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later arising along the same genetic

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line that began with chimpanzees and

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later gave rise to modern homo sapiens

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but he makes an equally strong case that

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two-way time travel is not only a

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theoretical possibility but a very

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likely eventuality based on our ongoing

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technological development

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he also clarifies that many of the

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seemingly unworkable paradoxes that

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arise with the notion of time travel are

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rooted in our misapprehension of how

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time actually works and indeed in what

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it actually is

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in today's podcast in addition to a

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deeper dive into master's bold but

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well-supported arguments we'll examine

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additional lines of evidence that relate

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to the intel reports suggesting timeline

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manipulation by factions of future

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humans may already be happening

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are time-traveling future neo-humans the

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missing link in making sense of the ufo

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phenomenon that has eluded us for

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decades

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or at least of making sense of a large

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swath of the data and activity and

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interactions observed

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these are precisely the matters we'll

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seek to unravel in this the 48th episode

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of the point of convergence podcast

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as we begin this week's podcast i'd just

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like to remind you that this is part

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three of three in this series to make

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more sense of what we'll discuss today i

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would suggest you go back to episode

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number 46 to get the first episode then

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47 and then come back and listen to this

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episode 48.

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now i'd like to give my usual caveat

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here that what we're discussing today

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the possibility that some of these grays

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maybe neo-humans from the future is just

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one aspect of a much larger phenomenon

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and as i've said many times i believe

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there are numerous sources behind this

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phenomenon and indeed part of the

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challenge in understanding it and part

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of the mistake people make in trying to

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make sense of it is that they assume

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it's a singular actor and a single

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agenda and then they try to make sense

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of all these phenomena as if they are

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the actions of a singular actor which

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becomes largely impossible because in

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reality they are arising from different

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sources so just to clarify in addition

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to future humans or a kind of creature

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future i also believe that

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extraterrestrials are involved in the

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phenomenon in general as are

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interdimensionals and as we'll get to

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extratempestrials that is beings from

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phenomenon clearly involves a variety of

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other entities not just grey aliens or

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also shadow people and cryptids and

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portals that may very well be wormholes

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between galaxies or between realities

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why this is so fascinating but also so

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complex to unravel

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this notion that some of these aliens

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as it applies to this notion that time

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travelers have come back in order to

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before on previous episodes in this

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one or more factions wants to help us

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prevent this cataclysm from happening

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while other faction or factions want to

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actually ensure it does happen

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specifically the grays are supposedly on

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this side of the equation because they

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gives rise to their genesis now on the

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objects in space may be the threat that

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that it creates an electromagnetic pulse

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which basically fries all of their

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or planetoid and its debris come around

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case then this planetoid and its debris

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cataclysm now what are the chances we

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event caught us by surprise because the

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objects came from behind the sun and we

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to prevent a cataclysm now ironically

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about alien invasions the real danger

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there hasn't been more of a dedicated

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effort to ensuring we can stop such

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objects from impacting the earth

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cataclysms there are historians and

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uniformitarianism the notion that events

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numerous repeated cataclysms and perhaps

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schedule and as we've discussed before

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civilization we should remember that

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apocalyptic images of the earth the

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earth either exploding or on fire what

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in point she is an experiencer who's had

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contact events since she was a young

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child and she repeatedly continues to

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relationship with these others many of

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them which look like graves

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kind of ambassador between these others

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prepared to expect such a cataclysm and

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that she and many others have been

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chosen to help the human population when

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this cataclysm occurs so in other words

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the implication is this will be in her

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lifetime and as far as i understand

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this again could potentially line up

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within 10 years kind of timeline for

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this cataclysm that we've heard about

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so that along with other lines of

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evidence i've discussed on our previous

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this notion that a cataclysm may indeed

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lie in our future

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i would now like to add that there is

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more than just these others supposedly

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telling us this is going to happen

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because as commenters have pointed out

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what if these others are simply lying

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how do we know they're telling us the

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truth about this cataclysm well that's a

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fair point because of course even

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experiencers like susie hansen

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potentially could be being deceived by

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these others do we have any

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corroborating evidence that doesn't

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arise from them

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well as it turns out we do

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part of what's been going on apparently

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by this control group in charge of this

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particular aspect of the ufo phenomenon

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is that remote viewing has been used in

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order to try to ascertain what is

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happening in our future now we've

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discussed remote viewing before we

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discussed how remote viewing was a very

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successful program

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run by the cia for 20 years and what

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i've heard is that even when the program

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supposedly shut down it basically just

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shifted to the department of defense

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instead of the cia and now has gone

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deeply black and i don't know this for

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sure i have heard that superstar remote

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viewers are involved in this program

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because obviously you would want the

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very best of the very best

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but people like joseph mcmonagle perhaps

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who is one of the best in the world are

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likely involved in this program in order

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to try to peer into the future to see

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what lies ahead

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now some people may balk at the notion

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that remote viewing could actually be

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useful evidential kind of data in this

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case

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but actually the history of remote

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viewing is remarkably successful as i

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mentioned before

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very accurate intel has been obtained

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time and time again and we know this

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because the data obtained was

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corroborated by other lines of evidence

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because of course the intelligence

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services do the best they can to always

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corroborate whatever evidence is

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obtained

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in one case i'm aware of joseph

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mcmonagle was actually tasked with

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trying to find out more about a bomb

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that went off in an airliner in the past

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he was in fact able to remote view what

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was going on inside the airplane before

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the bomb detonated and was able to

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provide information about where the bomb

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actually was and that lined up with

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other data points what's even more

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fascinating about that case is

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supposedly people on board the plane

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could actually somehow see joseph

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mcmonagle perhaps they saw kind of an

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ethereal form of him but people

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apparently noticed him which is very

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interesting for numerous reasons one

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because of course this in itself is a

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kind of time travel and even though he

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can't directly change anything he

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couldn't put a seat up or down on that

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plane but when people see him that of

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course might change their behavior so in

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an indirect way you're actually changing

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the timeline by remote viewing mcmonugal

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has also been used to learn about an

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ancient civilization on mars and again

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this is documented as having happened

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you can go online and find illustrations

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that mcmonagle made of the supposed

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beings and the structures he saw on mars

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in the distant distant past

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and just to remind you when a remote

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viewer is given a task such as this they

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don't know what the target is they just

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are given coordinates or some sort of

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reference number and then they just

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describe what they see sometimes they

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draw what they see mcmonagle has done

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this time and time again and has

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demonstrated his clear talent for this

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now it may not just be an innate talent

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because as it turns out there was an

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event in mcmonagle's life much like jack

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sarfati that we talked about in a couple

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episodes ago which is very interesting

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and potentially very pertinent to this

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discussion because it may involve a time

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loop you remember that in episode 1 we

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talked about jacques sarfati apparently

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being contacted by a tic tac-like

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vehicle in 1953

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and he was communicated by the conscious

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ai inside that craft that this was

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technology from humanity of the future

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and then later on of course we know that

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sarfati became a world-class physicist

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and to some degree his contribution may

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very well end up leading to something

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like the development of tic tac

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technology

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so there you have kind of a time loop

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going on in a similar way what's

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interesting about mcmonagle is that in

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the 70s he had an encounter with a ufo

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while he was in the military this ufo

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appeared above him shined a bright light

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down that affected him and another

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person that he was with and ever since

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then mcmonagle has had remarkable

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abilities abilities such as the capacity

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to remote view to an astounding degree

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to a degree that makes him basically one

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of the very best in the world

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so again there you also have a kind of

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time loop where some sort of

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intelligence potentially from the future

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contacted him and changed him in some

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way in the 1970s

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and now he may be being used to remote

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view the future again a kind of time

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loop might be taking place there

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now i just want to clarify i don't know

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that mcmanagal is the one that is being

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used to remote view the future my

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suspicion is that he is because he's one

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of the very very best even if it's not

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him you can guarantee they're using some

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of the very best in the world because of

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course this is such an important task

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but pay attention to the notion of time

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loops because that is key to all of this

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and even though it runs counter to how

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we think about time apparently it is a

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natural function of space-time

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so now that we've covered in more detail

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some of the intel applying to this

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supposed cataclysm

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and other lines of evidence that might

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support that

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let's move now to master's argument what

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i would call his masterful argument that

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these others or at least some of them

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may very well indeed be us from the

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future

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just to clarify from his point of view

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it's almost guaranteed they must be us

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from the future he is very confident in

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that conclusion now before we get to his

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very soundly based arguments based on

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evolutionary biology

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he does bring up something that is

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interesting he brings up the santilli

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alien autopsy film now we know that that

430
00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:53,040
film itself is likely a hoax almost

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guaranteed to be but there is

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suggestions that that film is based on

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evidence that is actually real and if

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that's the case then from master's point

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of view it is remarkable how human-like

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that alien looks it looks like something

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that must be related to us

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and to add to that and of course this is

439
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somewhat speculative there have been

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00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:16,480
people who have suggested that one of

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the surprises when a supposed alien

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autopsy happened perhaps on the beings

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recovered at roswell

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was that they actually shared a genetic

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lineage with us they found dna in this

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being that matched our own and vice

447
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versa

448
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this was a shock to the system of course

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because in that day and age the

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assumption was this being was

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extraterrestrial no one was expecting to

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00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,559
find dna that matched human dna but

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00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:46,640
again according to some sources that was

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what was found and that was part of the

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shock and may indeed have even led to

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part of the reason why this has been

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covered up because the assumption is the

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american public and the world public

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couldn't handle this

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but again much of that line of argument

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00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:03,600
is speculative we can't prove that we

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00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:05,840
don't know for sure what happened with

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that autopsy however we need not rely on

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speculation and that's because dr

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michael masters professor of biological

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anthropology at montana tech in butte

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montana

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suggests that long-standing and

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repeatedly attested observations of the

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appearance of these others suggest they

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must be related to us and i'd like to

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quote from master's book here quote

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the physical form of these individuals

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is remarkably consistent across abductee

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reports

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furthermore the physical traits

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described are also consistent with what

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we would expect to see in the

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morphological form of our distant

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descendants based on prominent long-term

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trends in our cerebral ocular cranial

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facial and post-cranial anatomy

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throughout the last six million years of

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hominin evolution unquote now what's

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interesting is masters points out that

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when you look at ancient humans and even

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before that chimpanzees and you look at

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the trends the biological trends of

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evolution that led to modern humans you

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see this trend towards smaller faces

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larger brains and he suggests when you

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continue that trend what you end up with

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is something very much like a gray alien

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quoting again from his book quote

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considering only these most enduring

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trends throughout the hominin past our

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bipedal hominin descendants are likely

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to possess an even rounder neurocranium

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situated above even smaller faces which

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exhibit an even greater degree of

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paedomorphosis

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with this in mind one can appreciate how

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the vast majority of reports of close

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encounters which describe alien beings

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with these same craniofacial

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characteristics are quite simply us as

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more evolved members of the same hominin

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lineage unquote

509
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,280
now just to make this crystal clear what

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masters is arguing is that it's not just

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that they look remarkably similar to us

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and have a hominid form which suggests

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they must come from us in some way they

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must be a further evolution of our form

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he's also arguing that when you look at

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the trends of evolution from chimpanzees

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to modern humans and you look at that

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trajectory and you continue that

519
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trajectory what you will end up with is

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something very much like a gray alien

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that has a smaller face a kind of more

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childlike face a larger brain etc it's a

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very compelling argument

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now as part of my research for this

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series i reached out to michael masters

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to ask him some questions

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one of the questions i asked him because

528
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i had several people ask me is how long

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it might take for something like the

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modern human form to evolve into

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something like a gray alien kind of form

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if they are indeed us in the future

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now of course there are many factors

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that determine that kind of eventuality

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but this is what masters said to me when

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i corresponded with him

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quote if our project gets picked up

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we're planning on doing some 3d computer

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modeling with geometric morphometrics to

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get a better answer to that question

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assuming they're not ai which i don't

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think they are

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and assuming the accelerating rate of

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evolutionary change continues which it

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should considering how long it already

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has then i think at minimum we're

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looking at 8 000 to 12 000 years though

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there are other issues related to sex

549
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age and geographic variation i've

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discussed on various shows before

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unquote

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so that covers some of master's very

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00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,240
compelling arguments based on his

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expertise in this area

555
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,720
suggesting that these others at least

556
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,440
some of them are very likely to be our

557
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,600
genetic descendants

558
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,000
let's now move to the issue of time

559
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,480
travel how likely is it how close are we

560
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,480
to understanding it and actually making

561
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,320
it actionable

562
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,159
well einstein is known to have said

563
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:03,919
something like people like us who

564
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:05,600
believe in physics know that the

565
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:08,080
distinction between past present and

566
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:11,120
future is only a stubbornly persistent

567
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,640
illusion

568
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:15,360
now we know now that time perception

569
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,720
changes in proportion to velocity

570
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,559
if you travel away at the speed of light

571
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,039
for instance exactly when you look back

572
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,280
at the earth you would see a snapshot an

573
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,600
unchanging snapshot because you're

574
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:29,679
speeding away at the same speed as the

575
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,080
light in another example if you happen

576
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,720
to be on a distant planet about 65

577
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,120
million light years from the earth when

578
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:38,720
you peered with a really powerful

579
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,360
telescope on the earth you might find a

580
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,600
t-rex staring back at you because of

581
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:45,760
course what you're seeing is the earth

582
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,799
as it was 65 million years ago because

583
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,720
that's how long it's taken for the image

584
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,039
to get to you for the photons to get to

585
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,440
you because you are 65 million light

586
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,039
years away

587
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:58,720
now there's also the issue of time

588
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,280
dilation the twin example is a prime

589
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,320
example here the idea is if you have one

590
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:06,799
twin who gets on a spacecraft traveling

591
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,200
close to the speed of light very quickly

592
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,200
and then comes back to earth and meets

593
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,280
up with his twin on earth the twin on

594
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,840
earth will now be perhaps an old man

595
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,000
while the twin who was on the spacecraft

596
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:20,799
hardly aged at all we know this is the

597
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,159
case and that's called time dilation

598
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,000
now part of the trickiness here is that

599
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,000
the way we experience time in such a

600
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,480
linear way such a predictable way our

601
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:32,960
entire lives and because we all share

602
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,440
this persistent illusion as einstein put

603
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,679
it it's hard for us to wrap our heads

604
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,400
around how time actually works what the

605
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,720
actual structure of spay time is thought

606
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,039
to be by physicists

607
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,880
for instance one of the most bizarre

608
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:48,880
elements of this is that with a time

609
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:51,520
loop you don't actually need an origin

610
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,559
event

611
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:55,039
now the irony is in school we were

612
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,799
always taught make sure you show your

613
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,640
work so we know how you came up with the

614
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,640
answer you remember that

615
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,440
well here with a time travel vehicle you

616
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,679
don't necessarily have to have a moment

617
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:07,760
where the actual technology

618
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,240
had that aha moment where someone

619
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,799
figured it out you can rather have a

620
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,120
self-consistent loop where you have

621
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,039
someone traveling from the future to the

622
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,279
past then it happens that that vehicle

623
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:21,440
lands in the past and this loops back to

624
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:24,080
the future you do not need the moment in

625
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:27,200
between where the precipitating event of

626
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,159
discovery actually took place

627
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,080
now again that completely flies in the

628
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,640
face of our understanding of logic but

629
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,120
apparently this is completely consistent

630
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,679
with our understanding of space-time as

631
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:41,919
long as space-time is internally

632
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:45,039
consistent then this can be the case and

633
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,039
in fact when we think back to incidents

634
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,320
like jack servati and joseph mcmonagle

635
00:24:54,909 --> 00:24:52,320
which was more speculative with serfati

636
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:54,919
we know he was visited by this craft in

637
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:57,679
1953 and we know that in a roundabout

638
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,320
way surfadi is involved in what may

639
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:02,880
eventually become the arrival of tic tac

640
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,600
technology which many people believe is

641
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,679
actually a time travel vehicle because

642
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:10,559
if you warp space time by definition you

643
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,080
are moving through time as well as space

644
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,159
so what i'm getting at here is that many

645
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,640
arguments against the notion that some

646
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:21,360
aliens are time-traveling neo-humans

647
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,720
from the future

648
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,720
relates to a discrepancy between our

649
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,200
experience of time and its actual

650
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,520
structure or nature

651
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,760
closed time-like curves mess with our

652
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,159
conception of linearity and yet these

653
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,240
closed time-like curves which i just

654
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,480
discussed are an implication of

655
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,559
einstein's equations

656
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,360
now a very tricky and perplexing and to

657
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,400
some people disturbing implication of

658
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:48,480
time travel as many physicists

659
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,080
understand it

660
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,640
is that the notion of free will doesn't

661
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,159
really exist

662
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,640
all we really have is the illusion of

663
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,480
free will it feels like we're making

664
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:00,880
decisions it feels like cause and effect

665
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,760
takes place in a predictable way

666
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,000
but physics experiments have shown that

667
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,240
you could actually run events backwards

668
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,320
and they would still fit the math would

669
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,640
still work and this is interesting when

670
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,640
you think about what experiences have

671
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,000
been told and what they sometimes

672
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,400
experience when they're on board craft

673
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:20,000
or even people who have near-death

674
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:21,919
experiences have a similar kind of

675
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:22,960
experience

676
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,360
what they report is that we kind of

677
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,159
choose to forget the larger aspects of

678
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,320
who we are that runs over multiple

679
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,159
timelines and sometimes runs over

680
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,279
multiple iterations as different species

681
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:37,440
we choose to forget all of that so that

682
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,400
we can enter a lifetime and learn things

683
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,960
in a real way in a way that feels real

684
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:45,360
and that is meaningful and therefore

685
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,559
changes us evolves our kind of soul our

686
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,799
true spirit nature so in some ways that

687
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,320
lines up with what we're saying with

688
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,960
physics here that free will really

689
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,559
doesn't exist what we have is the

690
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:58,880
illusion of free will it feels like the

691
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,919
decisions we make have impact have

692
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,200
consequence

693
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:05,760
when actually according to physics what

694
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,880
reality might be more like is a block of

695
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,279
space time in four dimensions that

696
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,279
basically has everything already

697
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:15,760
complete the past present future are

698
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,640
just these illusions we experience as we

699
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,520
move through this block but the block

700
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,679
already exists everything that has ever

701
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,919
happened or ever will happen already

702
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,679
exists it's just that we don't

703
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:29,840
experience it that way when we're living

704
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,399
this human iteration again it's very

705
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,080
interesting how you get alignment

706
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,720
between certain spiritual conceptions

707
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,960
and physics and certain conceptions that

708
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,120
people come to understand when they're

709
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,320
on board ufo craft or with these others

710
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,600
or when they've had a near-death

711
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,520
experience and how that lines up with

712
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,080
how physics understands this

713
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,000
now speaking of time travel and the

714
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,240
notion that vehicles like tic tacs are

715
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,559
actually time travel vehicles

716
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,320
masters points out an interesting

717
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,320
observation when it comes to what people

718
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,480
see when they look at these objects

719
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,320
and specifically when they appear and

720
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,559
disappear or at least it looks like that

721
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,240
to the observer

722
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,720
this is what master says in this regard

723
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,600
quote

724
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,080
a fascinating aspect of reports of close

725
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,880
encounters is that ifos by the way he

726
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:19,440
uses the term ifo to mean identified

727
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,039
flying object

728
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,520
ifos are commonly observed appearing or

729
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,000
disappearing often while maintaining the

730
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,000
same position in the sky

731
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,000
this is important in the context of the

732
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,320
current time travel model because if

733
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:34,799
something abruptly appears or disappears

734
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,279
in our three observable dimensions of

735
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,000
space it is a very good indication that

736
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,120
it has just changed its position in the

737
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,760
only other observable dimension

738
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:46,799
time

739
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,360
this regularly reported occurrence while

740
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,520
seemingly bizarre from the standpoint of

741
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,480
our conventional notion of linear time

742
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,039
is actually an expected outcome of time

743
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:00,240
machines entering or exiting a specific

744
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,000
region of space-time unquote

745
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:06,080
now also in terms of the tech that would

746
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,080
enable time travel

747
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:10,799
masters quotes dr clifford johnson who

748
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,840
talks about this quote according to dr

749
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,840
clifford johnson a professor in the

750
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,760
department of physics and astronomy at

751
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,159
the university of southern california

752
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,240
we tend to think of gravity as very

753
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:24,640
strong after all it's what binds us to

754
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,679
the earth but actually of all the forces

755
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,720
we know in nature gravity is the weakest

756
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,880
let me give you a number it's 10 to the

757
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,960
power 40 times weaker than

758
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:36,640
electromagnetism

759
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,760
that's a one with 40 zeros after it

760
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:41,679
the extreme difference between the force

761
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,559
of gravity and the electromagnetic force

762
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,559
points to the role that the latter may

763
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:48,880
someday play in helping us finally break

764
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,840
free of the antiquated vector based

765
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:53,760
combustion engine propulsion

766
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,720
technologies of the present era

767
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,720
if we are able to develop an aircraft

768
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,320
that can harness and control the

769
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,960
electromagnetic force against the weaker

770
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,039
force of gravity this could

771
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,120
fundamentally transform the way we

772
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,039
travel and the speed with which we get

773
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,120
around the world as well

774
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,279
furthermore one of the best shapes for

775
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:15,840
opposing earth's gravity once we no

776
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:18,720
longer require wings and tubes to fly

777
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,240
is likely to be a disc shape which can

778
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,240
counter the force of gravity more

779
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:26,720
homogeneously across its symmetrical

780
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,279
base while rotating in the air to

781
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,919
maintain lateral stability

782
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,440
unquote

783
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,679
now another quote i would like to offer

784
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,240
in terms of this closed time-like curve

785
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,840
that i talked about before and how that

786
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:41,840
relates to time travel and how this is

787
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,799
very complex hard to imagine for us

788
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,960
because we experience time in a linear

789
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:47,840
way

790
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,120
works and how you could actually create

791
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:53,760
a time travel vehicle and not have

792
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,559
inconsistent or paradoxical travel to

793
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,559
the past or the future

794
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:00,880
quoting from master's book quote

795
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,159
remarkably as light cones dip over in

796
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,320
association with a warpage of proximate

797
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,760
space-time

798
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,159
world lines within them can deviate from

799
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:12,320
a strictly past to future linear

800
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,679
trajectory

801
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,840
this means that anyone or anything

802
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,080
traveling along a world line that lies

803
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,240
within the margins of a tilted light

804
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,399
cone in their localized region of

805
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:24,640
space-time would now be permitted to

806
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:27,519
travel into the global past by means of

807
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,120
this newly formed ctc closed time-like

808
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,080
curve according to the astrophysicists

809
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,200
francisco lobo and paulo crawford a

810
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,440
closed time-like curve allows time

811
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,600
travel in the sense that an observer

812
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:43,760
which travels on a trajectory in space

813
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,679
time along this curve

814
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,080
returns to an event which coincides with

815
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,440
the departure

816
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,000
the arrow of time leads forward as

817
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:54,880
measured locally by the observer but

818
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,080
globally he she may return to an event

819
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:59,760
in the past

820
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,320
additionally according to leo c stein

821
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,240
nasa einstein fellow in the department

822
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,799
of astronomy at cornell university

823
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,279
a closed time-like curve is a trajectory

824
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,840
that's perfectly normal everywhere

825
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:13,600
always sticking to the rules of moving

826
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,399
in a time-like direction always going

827
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,200
locally forward in time and yet ends up

828
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,399
back where and when it starts

829
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,200
the existence of a ctc in some space

830
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:27,440
time would mean that a time machine is

831
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,480
possible

832
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:30,799
just by going along that trajectory and

833
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,159
without violating any laws of physics

834
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,039
unquote now that passage i just read

835
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,120
helped point out how you could have time

836
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,760
travel without having paradoxes but

837
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,000
perhaps that's still not clear to you

838
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,399
it is difficult to understand no doubt

839
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,240
for instance we've all heard about the

840
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,799
so-called grandfather paradox what would

841
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,640
happen if you went back into the past

842
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,640
and killed your grandfather so that he

843
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,240
could never give birth to your mother or

844
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,919
your father therefore how could you ever

845
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,159
be born that's how the paradox basically

846
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,559
is described well apparently this just

847
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,799
isn't really the way things are that's

848
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:06,320
not actually how space time is

849
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:07,360
structured

850
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,399
that paradox only exists in our illusory

851
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:12,960
understanding of reality

852
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:15,279
let me quote from master's book here

853
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,240
quote

854
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:17,919
more recently at the university of

855
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,720
queensland in australia physicist tim

856
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,120
ralph and his phd student martin

857
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,519
ringbauer led a team of researchers who

858
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,320
were able to simulate deutsche's model

859
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:30,640
experimentally for the first time

860
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:33,279
in their 2014 nature communications

861
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:36,320
paper titled experimental simulation of

862
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,039
closed time-like curves they confirmed

863
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,360
many aspects of deutsche's 20 year old

864
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:43,600
theory particularly how it relates to

865
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,559
the classic grandfather paradox

866
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,880
more specifically deutsche's theory of

867
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:51,440
probabilities and particles entering and

868
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:54,880
exiting a ctc was examined using a

869
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,000
photon with its polarization encoded as

870
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,159
well as a second photon that would act

871
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,039
as a past embodiment of the first or a

872
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,760
kind of stunt double in the time loop

873
00:34:09,629 --> 00:34:07,760
simulation they performed

874
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,639
in this way they could test deutsche's

875
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,240
self-consistency solution by measuring

876
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,040
the polarization of the second photon

877
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,520
after it had interacted with the first

878
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,320
averaged across multiple trials

879
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,560
according to co-author tim ralph the

880
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:25,200
state we got at our output the second

881
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,399
photon at the simulated exit of the ctc

882
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:30,879
was the same as that of our input the

883
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,399
first encoded photon at the ctc entrance

884
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,480
this result clearly corroborates the

885
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,720
earlier work of david deutsch

886
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,240
of course we're not really sending

887
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:42,960
anything back in time but the simulation

888
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,679
allows us to study weird evolutions

889
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,359
normally not allowed in quantum

890
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,800
mechanics

891
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:50,960
even though ralph and ringbauer did not

892
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,919
actually send anything back in time this

893
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,159
experiment does contribute to a growing

894
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,079
body of work as well as a growing

895
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,880
consensus among physicists that backward

896
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:03,599
time travel is not only possible but it

897
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,560
is also paradox free these studies

898
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,720
demonstrate that no one can change

899
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,040
anything in the past given that their

900
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,680
actions already exist as an interwoven

901
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,359
part of the past

902
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:17,920
as such self-consistency is not a

903
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:20,480
conscious choice made by those who time

904
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,440
travel but instead is a simple byproduct

905
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,440
of existing as part of a different

906
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:27,839
period which has always possessed

907
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,800
embedded elements of another time

908
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,119
according to friedman et al

909
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,000
in their 1990 paper couchy problem in

910
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:38,960
space times with closed time-like curves

911
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,400
if ctcs are allowed and if the above

912
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,240
vision of theoretical physics

913
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,480
accommodation with them turns out to be

914
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:48,800
more or less correct then what will this

915
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,000
imply about the philosophical notion of

916
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,680
free will for humans and other

917
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,280
intelligent beings

918
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,280
it certainly will imply that intelligent

919
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,240
beings cannot change the past such

920
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,079
change is incompatible with the

921
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,640
principle of self-consistency

922
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,760
unquote

923
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,760
so all that is to say basically the

924
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,000
notion is this demonstrates that when

925
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:12,960
apparent paradoxes arise the problem is

926
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,760
not in the reality but in our flawed

927
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,599
conception of it anchored by our

928
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,680
biologically induced delusional

929
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,160
experience of time as linear and

930
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,079
unidirectional

931
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:26,240
now on the one hand that passage helps

932
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,839
us understand how

933
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,240
time travel could exist without running

934
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,400
into paradoxes that the paradoxes are

935
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:34,880
really only a misapprehension based on

936
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,400
our illusory understanding of space-time

937
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,079
but of course that also makes one

938
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,320
question whether or not these others if

939
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,320
they are us from the future

940
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,160
could actually come back and change

941
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,400
anything according to what we just read

942
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,640
in some ways the answer would be no but

943
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,560
again this may come down to how you look

944
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,720
at it how you conceive of this which

945
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,720
perspective you look at it from it is

946
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:59,119
very complex no doubt but the bottom

947
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,480
line i think we should take away from

948
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,200
that passage is that time travel is not

949
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,119
only conceivable and it's not only

950
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,920
possible but it's also very actionable

951
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,599
and it's very likely the kind of

952
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,920
technology we will likely develop in the

953
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,160
not too distant future

954
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,720
now as i think is fairly clear after the

955
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,440
past three episodes the time traveling

956
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,400
model the future human hypothesis is a

957
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:24,880
very strong contender in my perspective

958
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,760
to explain much of the data we're seeing

959
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,839
of course it's not the only possibility

960
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,440
there are other ways you could make

961
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,119
sense of the data for instance there

962
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,880
might have been a cosmic seeding that

963
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,960
happened in the distant past by some

964
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,720
other intelligence perhaps by some

965
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:41,280
sophisticated alien intelligence

966
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:44,880
that ceded humanoid kind of life across

967
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,599
the galaxy and that would explain why

968
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,839
these others look so much like us

969
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,680
another possibility is that they are

970
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,440
coming from an alternate earth and

971
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:55,839
perhaps that it's not so much about past

972
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,640
or present or future as it is alternate

973
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,040
realities where evolution perhaps took a

974
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,280
different trajectory and that's why they

975
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,520
look like that rather than like us in

976
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,359
fact when you think about any of the

977
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,079
typical types of aliens that look quite

978
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,160
earth-like whether they're mantids or

979
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,800
whether they're reptilians they still

980
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,640
often look like creatures that may have

981
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,720
arisen on the earth so again there's a

982
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:20,880
couple different options there they may

983
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,760
be from our future or they may be

984
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,000
examples of the evolutionary trend that

985
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,160
happened in parallel realities in

986
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,760
alternate earths

987
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:31,760
now if time travel is in the mix then

988
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,320
conceivably these extra tempestrial

989
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:36,880
grays could have populated the galaxy

990
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,680
and thus become extraterrestrial grays

991
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,599
and they might still need us because of

992
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,160
the genetic variants we offer as their

993
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,320
ancestors which i talked about in a

994
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,320
previous podcast and this is what i

995
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,839
meant in the beginning when i said that

996
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:51,839
these hard lines between

997
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:54,760
extraterrestrial interdimensional and

998
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:57,760
extratempestrial i.e time traveling is

999
00:39:01,829 --> 00:39:00,079
perhaps not so clearly delineated and

1000
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:01,839
this probably says more about the

1001
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,560
inadequacy the insufficiency of our

1002
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:06,640
categories than it does about the nature

1003
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,920
of the ufo phenomenon itself

1004
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,520
and now i'd like to leave you with a few

1005
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,200
concluding thoughts

1006
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,000
firstly if time travel is a factor

1007
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,560
within the ufo phenomenon then things

1008
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,640
become even more complex than they

1009
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,720
already were i think that's clear after

1010
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,800
what we've discussed today

1011
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,119
this complexity is no reason to reject

1012
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,599
the notion of time travel however

1013
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,200
that would be trading truth for

1014
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,760
preference whatever is going on we have

1015
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,920
to grapple with it

1016
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:37,920
i'd also like to point out that people

1017
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,480
like frank milburn and ross coulthart

1018
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,920
and myself generally have allergies to

1019
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,079
outlandish unsupported conspiracy

1020
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,079
theories we don't tend to like those

1021
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,079
kinds of arguments

1022
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:52,640
however this intel is being provided by

1023
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,000
trusted assets and importantly it works

1024
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,920
for the most part within master's

1025
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,480
compelling argument for time-traveling

1026
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,400
neo-human graves

1027
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,960
but again and very importantly while

1028
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,200
these are of course related and here i

1029
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:09,680
speak of masters argument that these are

1030
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,800
likely future humans visiting us and the

1031
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,640
matter of the intel that has arisen

1032
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,640
suggesting that these future humans are

1033
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,119
trying to change our timelines as it

1034
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,359
applies to some cataclysm

1035
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:23,440
you can accept one while rejecting the

1036
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,560
other

1037
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,800
personally i'm more interested in you

1038
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,240
really weighing the evidence for

1039
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,720
master's hypothesis because i think it's

1040
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,720
very compelling when it comes to

1041
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,359
modeling reality physicists look for

1042
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,160
elegance if it's too messy it's likely

1043
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,920
not accurate

1044
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,079
now as we've said already this theory

1045
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,160
could still be incorrect even though it

1046
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,240
is a very elegant solution to some of

1047
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,480
the data too much of the data

1048
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,079
but i think based on our current

1049
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,319
knowledge and model of reality which of

1050
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,400
course is likely to change but based on

1051
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,640
what we believe now about reality

1052
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,640
taking into account the data arising

1053
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,800
from experiencer interactions with these

1054
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,359
beings and the behavior of the craft

1055
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:05,760
observed that this is one of the best

1056
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,040
current hypotheses we have available

1057
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,359
occam's razor is a principle of theory

1058
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,920
construction or evaluation according to

1059
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,000
which other things being equal

1060
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,560
explanations that posit fewer entities

1061
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,480
or fewer kinds of entities

1062
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,400
are to be preferred to explanations

1063
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,240
deposit more

1064
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:25,920
now when you think of that in terms of

1065
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,560
the future human hypothesis it is a

1066
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,079
simpler solution in many ways that

1067
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,319
better fits with occam's razor when you

1068
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:34,800
consider that these others are actually

1069
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,520
us but from the future instead of two

1070
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,640
entities an e.t and a human being you

1071
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:43,440
have a single entity a human being who

1072
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,280
evolves to become a neo-human gray

1073
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,520
and on that note we've come to the close

1074
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,119
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1075
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:53,359
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1076
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,800
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1077
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1078
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,839
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1079
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,240
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1080
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1081
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,160
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1082
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:09,359
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